An appalling play on words, and surely more than enough to make Peter Cross*. I always thought, because Catholic friends in Belfast and Derry/Londonderry told me so, that Everton was predominantly their club, Liverpool the Protestants’. Peter, who leads Northern Ireland’s branch of the Everton Supporters’ Club, knows better; ahead of Monday’s SAFC v Everton clash at the Stadium of Light, he offers a brief but scholarly history of the two clubs. And yes, talks about football, too …
Salut! Sunderland: Despite a poor start, you seem to be showing signs of having a decent season. What are your minimum and maximum expectations?
I would hope that we may yet qualify for the Europa League again, and would be disappointed if we didn’t finish in the top half.
Who are the players we should fear and do any of ours worry you?
Tim Cahill is our man in form at the moment, with Asamoah Gyan being Sunderland’s equivalent.
The Everton glory days were exhilarating even for neutrals. Do you honestly expect them to return, and if so in what time frame and what would it take to recreate them?
Any hope of replacing one of the seemingly perpetual Big Four has recently been diminished with the advent of Man City’s bottomless pockets. Our only hope seems to be to run a tight financial ship and await one of the existing top four doing a ‘Leeds’. However, if England’s representation in the Champions League is reduced to three, then it will be even harder to break through into this hegemony.
Even though you get Blue/Red family divisions in Liverpool, the Mersey derby retains a special quality. Describe what it means to you.
Not coming from Merseyside, it isn’t just as vital to me. However, as the number of Liverpool fans in Northern Ireland is second only to Man Utd, the result is still very important.
Northern Ireland also has a reputation for specific differences in allegiance: eg Everton seen as the club favoured by Nationalists, Liverpool more by Loyalists. Do you feel this is true, an over-simplification or simply wrong?
Our supporters club is cross community with members from all over Northern Ireland. Indeed, generally, there are no problems with anyone supporting Everton or, indeed, Liverpool. Originally, Everton were formed out of a Methodist (Protestant) church and Liverpool grew out of Everton following a boardroom split. So, both clubs actually have a similar historical background. The best article that I have read about it all is… http://www.toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp . If anything, in recent years, Liverpool seem to have developed a stronger affinity with Celtic (Dalglish, Fields of Athenry, etc) and Everton with Rangers (Duncan Ferguson, Walter Smith, etc) but it’s probably only a temporary thing. If you look at the locations of the numerous Liverpool supporters clubs within Northern Ireland, there is certainly no question of the being only Loyalist.
Assuming you’re a man of Ulster, do you also have a club north or south of the border, or indeed in Scotland or beyond, that you also follow?
Lisburn Distillery, but I haven’t been to a game of theirs for years. Having three small children, I need to keep all my brownie points for travelling over to Goodison!
Have you already forgotten the World Cup or cannot you wait for the next one?
It’s now a rather dim and distant memory. After the recent draw with the Faeroes, the chances of Northern Ireland qualifying for the next one already look slim.
Greatest players ever to wear the Everton colours. And those who had no right to?
The best player in my lifetime was, it pains me to say, a certain Wayne Rooney. As for those that didn’t deserve to, where would I start?
Do you have any knowledge of or feelings about Sunderland – the club., the fans, the city, the region?
Not really. I only ever got to Roker Park once and have yet to make it to the Stadium of Light. Furthermore, as my GP is originally from Sunderland (with a picture of Roker Park on his surgery wall), I had better be careful what I say; or who knows what his next examination might entail?!
Is it time to abandon high-minded principles about fair play and accept that cheating – diving, feigning injury, trying to get opposing players sent off or booked – is now part of the game? If not, how do we stamp it out?
I would like to see the use of television evidence in order to discipline the players after a game.
And what is your honest view of corporate football and the way the game has gone?
Off the field, the game has improved immensely since the dark days of the late Seventies. However, the amount of money going out of the game in players’ wages has become obscene and seriously hampers possible reinvestments (for example, ground facilities).
Name the season’s top four in order and the bottom three. Where will Everton and Sunderland finish?
Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal; Blackpool, Wolves, West Ham. I’ll go for seventh and 10th respectively.
How often do you get to games? Will you be at ours?
On average, I try to get over about once a month. I won’t be at Sunderland on Monday night but, Sky/ESPN permitting, I hope to be at the return game at the end of February.
What will be the score?
If I knew that, I would be down the bookies making my fortune.
* Peter Cross on Peter Cross:
I am the secretary of the Everton Supporters’ Club Northern Ireland (ESCNI). We have a membership of over 300, many of whom regularly travel to Goodison. The club has its own website at www.escni.co.uk . I am 49, work as an engineer in the civil service, and have a wife and three children (ages seven, six and three).
Interview: Colin Randall