Pure Poyetry: hating to lose to QPR

Jake earns his stripes
Jake earns his stripes

Malcolm Dawson writes….even this early in the season I had a feeling this game could be the defining one. The way I saw it was that a win would engender confidence and the belief that those teams who will be lower half were beatable, leading to a comfortable campaign and a top ten finish. Lose it and we allow a team we should be expecting to finish below us to snatch the initiative with three points, meaning they are a point above us rather than five behind. Today’s result, though only one game, could well be the precursor to yet another season of underachievement. Gus sees it differently as he explains in his post match e-mail to M. Salut.

Jake captures the Bard, with thanks to Owen Lennox
Jake captures the Bard, with thanks to Owen Lennox
Dear Colin,

If we analyse the whole game we can say that we were very good for the first 25 to 30 minutes.

Away from home we were expecting them to come straight at us and put us under pressure but they couldn’t because we had the ball and the best of the chances.

We were in control but maybe that shot from Leroy Fer that hit the crossbar created momentum for QPR. We didn’t cope well in the last few minutes of the first half and we made mistakes that we shouldn’t have made and ultimately conceded.

We adjusted and then in the first 15 minutes of the second half there was nothing in the game but we just couldn’t break them down. It would have been totally different to go into half time at 0-0 – like I said we made three or four consecutive mistakes before the goal and we gave them the momentum.

The timing of the goal did kill us and I was not expecting to concede from a set piece as we have been very good at defending them so far; it is something we need to look at and ensure it doesn’t happen again.

Robert Green was very good today, he is an experienced goalkeeper and they had an experienced backline.

I don’t like to lose – I hate it – but there is a big difference between the way that we lost today and the way we were losing last year.

Thanks for your support,

Gus Poyet


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Burnley and Leicester saved: our stats man has QPR, Hull City, Aston Villa doomed

John McCormick:
John McCormick: History. Is it all bunk?

This is the latest of John McCormick‘s occasional delve into statistics and logic to weigh up relegation prospects – one day he’ll feel, as Sunderland fan, it’s worth a look at the other end of the table. It has already had an airing and attracted comment from SAFC fans. But what do supporters of the clubs he fears may be doomed think? Is his choice of Hull and Villa harsh, QPR’s inclusion at odds with ‘Arry’s famed powers of survival when given a full season, Sunderland’s exclusion over-optimistic? Have your say …

Read moreBurnley and Leicester saved: our stats man has QPR, Hull City, Aston Villa doomed

Dodgy-ng relegation

John McCormick:
John McCormick: History. Is it all bunk?

This post is about relegation, something never far from our minds, and who this season’s three might be. Over the summer I looked over a little bit of history and generated some numbers in order to bring you more of my dodgy predictions. Enjoy them or argue with them as you will. Just don’t nick the family allowance and run off to the bookies.

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Calling warm, witty or wise Leicester, Burnley and QPR fans: you’re needed

Sunderland: the new away top*
Sunderland: the new away top*

First off, here – with SAFC’s much appreciated co-operation – is the new away strip for 2014-2015. It will be officially released on June 27 but orders can be placed now at www.safcstore.com or at official SAFC stores at the Stadium of Light, in Debenhams, Sunderland or at The Galleries, Washington. Now on to business of our own …

QPR being what we were
and threaten often enough to become again, a yo-yo club, their supporters know the drill. Burnley ones with slightly longer memories will have an idea what is coming, too. For Leicester fans, it is uncharted territory.

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If it’s not Villa, Fulham or Southampton, or Newcastle or Sunderland, then it must be Wigan

John McCormick: you know he makes nonsense
John McCormick: you know he makes non-sense

This is the final piece of a series I started around Christmas. It wasn’t intended as a series, it just turned out that way. Idle speculation about the importance of goal difference in the relegation dogfight led to the first post, in which I wrote “I’m going to stick my neck out and say that the five (from SAFC, the Mags, Villa, Wigan, Southampton and Fulham) whose goal differences show the greatest improvement in the second half of the season will avoid relegation, irrespective of their points on Boxing Day, and a consistent decline will point to the doomed team”.

Read moreIf it’s not Villa, Fulham or Southampton, or Newcastle or Sunderland, then it must be Wigan

Will it be Wigan or Villa (or Stoke or Newcastle) to go down with Reading and QPR?

John McCormick: better predictions than MOTD
John McCormick: better predictions than MOTD?

The headline, untouched by M Salut’s hand, is noteworthy for the absence of Sunderland from the list of contenders for the last of the bottom three slots. We must all (save for visiting supporters of the other affected clubs) take comfort from John McCormick‘s scholarly ways, sincerely hope he knows what he’s doing and be assured he is not tempting fate … it is the latest of his studies of how fluctuating goal differences may affect the outcome of the pressing Premier issue that remains to be resolved following Man Utd’s confirmation of the title

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McCormick’s Craic: down among the dead men, a lifeline for Aston Villa

John McCormick: reviewing the trends
John McCormick: reviewing the trends

So who is going down? For virtually the first time this season neutrals are mentioning Sunderland as serious contenders. Given our awful run, and the tough bunch of games to come, that is hardly surprising. John McCormick has been studying trends again and comes up with potentially good news for Aston Villa, though he still sees QPR and Reading going. At whose expense would Villa survive? Ours? Not according to whatever can be gleaned from the stats John has been reviewing. Read on but expect to be blinded by this branch of science …

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Predictions: Sunderland, QPR, Newcastle, Stoke, West Brom, Swansea – how will they fare?

Salut panel member thinks long and hard about the weekend fixtures.
Salut panel member thinks long and hard about the weekend fixtures.


The prediction league table doesn’t look too healthy for some of us. It just goes to show the moment Malcolm slowed down with his version of the league tables, I lost my way a little – both with the table accuracy and my performance levels.

Sixer and I are particularly hard done by here – damn Malcolm and his need for accuracy! It’s probably just as well he’s top of the table due to the nature of this competition. The table proceeds this weeks predictions.



QPR v Sunderland

John Mac: 3-1 to us, Fletch has to score, Sess is coming in to form and McClean will have some influence in the second half. But we’ll do something in defence to give QPR a soft goal.

Colin : Memories of Bendtner’s header, Sess’s brilliant breakaway goal and Wes Brown – remember? – with his late headed winner. I was optimistic about that game because the MoN factor was fresh. It’s gone stale. Prove me wrong, Lads. 2-1

Bill: Queen’s Park aren’t going down quietly but traditionally they don’t do well against Sunderland and the Cats, even rather declawed as they’ve been of late, should be able to pick up all 3 points. Danny Rose coming back will be welcome. 1-2 to the Lads.

The Rest: Jeremy 2-0. Jake 0-1. Goldy 0-1. Malcolm 1-1. Robert 1-3 Sixer 1-3.

Newcastle v Stoke

Jake: From Russia with love? No, but hopefully fatigue, Stoke will hold the Mags to a goalless draw. 0-0.

Sixer: Pardew pleads for a performance from his boys as does Pulis. But there is enough French flair on Tyneside to overcome the cloggers from the Potteries. 3-0

Malcolm: Les ouiseaux pie after their trip to Russia will be up for this but spoiling Stoke, who are rapidly becoming a team I dislike with a manager whose comments are increasingly grating on me, will do their best to shut up shop. 0-0

The Rest: John Mac 1-1. Bill 2-2. Jeremy 1-1. Goldy 2-0. Colin 2-0. Robert 2-0.

West Brom v Swansea

Goldy: Well after beating the mags last week it seems the curse of winning the league cup may not strike swansea. Even so, I’m going for a draw here. 1-1.

Robert: Swansea are continuing to push for a better league position than they had last year, and WBA are still fighting for a Europa league place. The Swans have been in better form, but since they are away I’ll go for an exciting 2-2 draw.

Jeremy: Home win for the dour Scot’s lads. Couldn’t the word “dour” have been coined specifically to describe the face of Steve Clarke? Baggies 2 Swans 1

The Rest: John Mac 1-2. Bill 2-3. Jake 2-2. Malcolm 1-3. Colin 1-2 Sixer 1-1.


Correct Results Correct Scores Points
Malcolm 6 20 38
Jeremy 6 17 35
Colin 5 19 34
Jake 4 20 32
Bill 5 13 28
Robert 5 13 28
Sixer 5 13 28
Goldy 3 16 25
John Mac 3 14 23


Salut! Podcast: a discussion on Sunderland’s trip to QPR

This may well be the first and last podcast that goes out to you lucky Salut! Sunderland regulars, writes Stephen Goldsmith. It’s an idea I’ve been toying with for a while and it may seem bizarre that it finally appears near the Easter period of the season.

Well, it is what it is in that respect and coming up with something from now until the end of the season means the summer break offers a chance of reflection and improvement. So, this is the dummy runs of all dummy runs – so try not to be too offensive on any feedback you may give. For this week, the link takes you to Soundcloud where it can be listened to and downloaded from there – though we will look into better or alternative options to that that in the proceeding weeks.

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McCormick’s Craic: will financial restrictions level the Premier League playing field?

John McCormick: looking at the figures
John McCormick: looking at the figures

There was a time, when Sunderland was known as “The Team of All Talents” and upset the footballing authorities by flouting the financial restrictions in force at the time. Later they were “The Bank of England Team” and you can bet that the fact the players were subjected to a maximum wage didn’t stop them from getting a few extras. From a fan’s point of view the ultimate aim of running a football club is easy. We want to see our team winning trophies, playing attractive football and signing the players to achieve that end. Every transfer window, and the times in between, sees amateur pundits with their wish lists, advising the club that such and such a player will strengthen the squad and perhaps berating the manager or owner for not signing some star name or another. But it’s not that simple. Clubs like Sunderland can’t always go out and pick a player with the ease that they could find a frozen lasagne at Tesco, although judging by some of the carthorses we have signed in the past you might not think so. There are many reasons why it isn’t so simple, fees and wage just being part of the package. What is clear is that over the past decade or two it has become harder for clubs to break into the elite band which may just challenge for the title. John McCormick has been looking at the implications of financial restrictions about to come into force and whether or not it will succeed in making the Premier League more competitive.


Earlier this month the Premier League reached agreement on spending controls and financial restrictions for all member clubs. Apparently Ellis Short started the ball rolling with a proposal on wages which the majority of the Premier League’s chairmen received favourably.

One school of thought is these measures were brought in to provide a more level playing field and keep the Premier League relatively balanced. If the gap between top and bottom gets too wide the League will become more predictable and therefore unattractive. Comparisons were drawn with American sport, where various leagues take steps to ensure no club or clubs are allowed to permanently dominate.

Given this and our Chairman’s leading role you might expect Sunderland to benefit but I’m not so sure. I don’t think it will make any difference to ourselves or to the so-called “big clubs”, which will carry on as if nothing has happened.

The restrictions comprise a “Long-term Sustainability Regulation” and a “Short Term Cost Control Measure”. From next season until 2015/16 Premier League clubs will not be able to make an aggregated loss in excess of £105million and clubs with a player wage bill in excess of £52million will not be allowed to use more than an additional £4million from PL Central Funds ( TV rights money) to increase player wages. The wage bill limits and allowable increases will each rise by £4 million per season until 2015/16.

Let’s look at a few clubs to get the picture before we move on to Sunderland.

Man Utd have an annual player wage bill in excess of £52 million. Depending on the website you visit you’ll find it starts at about £80 million and goes beyond £100 million. This is one club that will find it can’t use much more of the PL central funds to pay increased wages. However, Man Utd is a massive cash generator in its own right so PL restrictions are irrelevant. A club with annual match day revenues of about £100 million will be able to buy players or increase their wages without falling foul of the Premier League, and matchdays aren’t United’s only source of cash. They also do well out of international marketing, sponsorship and participation in the Champions League. Usually this is enough for them to show an annual profit but in 2011-12 they posted a small loss after a poor season. A 3-year loss of £105 million seems unlikely, so there’s no worry about breaching the “sustainability regulation” either.

At the other end of the Premier League “PL central funds” make up about 88% of Wigan’s revenue. Wigan spend about 75% of this on players’ wages but, at about £40m, wages don’t reach the £52 million ceiling. Wigan are therefore going to be unaffected by the cost control measure. The long term sustainability regulation also appears to be irrelevant. Wigan posted a profit of £4.3m for May 2011-May 2012 after a small loss (£7.2million) the previous year and larger but decreasing losses before then. They also won’t run up £105 million of debt in the next three years and therefore won’t be subject to any of the sanctions the league can impose.

QPR might offer a different picture of life at the bottom. They had wages of £29.7 million, turnover of £16 million and an operating loss of £25.7 million in their promotion season. That’s a wages to turnover ratio of 183 per cent. Finances will have been aided by promotion but they finished below Wigan and have a small ground so income, although likely to be higher than Wigan’s because of higher prices, will be still be low by Premier League standards. Yet they signed 31 players in 18 months, some allegedly on high wages, and even with ten on loan they have too many players for a PL squad. Continuing a policy of trying to buy survival could lead QPR to accumulate such big losses or pay so much in wages they fall foul of the new regulations, assuming they do stay in the premiership.

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Sunderland are somewhere between these extremes. I don’t have recent figures but last March “The Journal” reported that Sunderland was on track to meet EUFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations. The club had posted a loss of £7.8 million, a 72% reduction from the previous year’s losses (£28 million). Margaret Byrne was quoted as saying there were plans to reduce the wage bill through more creative contracts and incentives, with a target of reducing the wage to turnover ratio from about 76 per cent (it was 82% a year earlier) to a much healthier 60 per cent.

Overall, therefore, it looks as if the club has not been doing too badly in controlling losses and wages and is heading in the right direction. This can only be for the good. But while it looks as if SAFC are likely to stay under the £105 million of allowable losses what about the £52 million salary cap? The Journal article estimated players’ salaries were in the region of £60million, significantly above the £52 million ceiling. Since then, of course, we have lost some expensive players and we haven’t signed many to replace them. If the wages to turnover ratio has decreased to 65% (revenue has increased, as you’ll see in a future post, but we’ll ignore it for now) the player wage bill will be £51.6 million, just under the limit. Even if the club breached this limit I don’t think there’d be serious cause for concern. We generate about £15 million from match day income and at least another £15 million from sponsorship and commercial activity. Not in Man Utd’s League but it will help with the wages.

It appears that the Premier League has come up with regulations which will not impede those clubs taking steps to control spending but which will target clubs living beyond their means. This does not mean, however, that careful clubs will benefit; regulations and sanctions are not the same thing. Consider a scenario where a club as well run as Wigan goes down while one with QPR levels of spending stays up. Would the Premier League reverse this decision? I think not, and nor could I find provision for points deductions for clubs breaching the regulations. Careful middle-sized clubs are still not protected from clubs which use money they haven’t earned to buy Premiership survival. Nor are they helped to compete against rich clubs which use their financial power to maintain their status.

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And that’s without considering debt. Borrowing and repaying is part of everyday commercial enterprise. It isn’t necessarily unhealthy. However, it can be argued that clubs which go into debt to buy players or pay wages without the income to service their loans are gaining an unfair advantage. The new financial regulations may apply to losses or overspends created by such situations but they do nothing about debt itself. This is no surprise. Man Utd might expect an operating profit but they are some £350million in debt, even after a rights issue. Wigan might be a well-run club but they had debts of £73 million in 2010. Most of this has been converted into equity and is no longer a liability. Ellis short did something similar at Sunderland. When it comes to debt there are a lot of owners living in glass houses, with no right to throw stones at other clubs.

In 2008 John Samuels, an Emeritus Professor of Finance, wrote “The beautiful game is over”. His premise was that football has become subject to international free market forces.  This has brought in a flood of new money but it has not been equally distributed, so some clubs have withered while others have become all-powerful.  Samuels argued that there is a deep reluctance to see the market regulated in favour of greater equality and thus more genuine competition. The Premier League may have started to overcome this reluctance but there’s still some way to go.

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