Obsessed with Newcastle? No, but we’ve a right to be

Wearmouth Bridge, SunderlandMrs Logic

A few of the Newcastle United supporters who have come here this week have made the claim, in different ways, that Sunderland fans care that much more about Newcastle United than vice versa.

The Baltic, seen through Gateshead Millennium EyeMrs Logic
It is debatable whether this is really the case, but when you look at this paragraph from the BBC website, repeating a fact that is hardly unknown to most passionate SAFC or NUFC supporters, you begin to realise why we care an awful lot:


Sunderland have only won on two of the last 21 occasions they’ve hosted their rivals since 1967, with Kieran Richardson’s rocket of a free-kick three years ago bringing their only win in nine played at the Stadium of Light.

The formbook matters little in determining whether Sunderland can improve on that sorry record.

Yes, SAFC finished 10th, thanks to a decent end to an unconvincing second half of the season, while Newcastle, only two places behind but a club in apparent turmoil, might be viewed by some as logical 2011-2012 relegation candidates. But we all know that even in another Toon Doon season, which is frankly unlikely in any case, they could raise their game in the two encounters with Sunderland. Because they – the club, as well as the fans – do care.

Derby days are exciting, inspirational … and sometimes excruciatingly painful. However nostalgic I feel about the North East, I am not sure I’d like to be permanently resident again during the derby periods. And I am not alone in finding the occasions too intense for comfort.

Before the massacre of St James’ Park last year, our Mag “Who Are You?” volunteer, the writer and broadcaster Keith Topping said: “I work in an office three-quarters full of Macks, I know the true cost of defeat on a highly personal level. I tend to have the attitude of just wanting to get them out of the way, have two 1-1 draws and then get on the rest of the season. Because, as we all know, our players are complete gits and never do what we expect of them.”

Now, I wouldn’t suggest for a second that Keith would later have been willing to trade in 5-1 for a draw. But I bet he feels essentially the same today.

And our own Jeremy Robson, who hardly adopts a -“ha’way, we’re all north-easterners after all” approach to Wear/Tyne rivalries, said in response: “I can relate very much to what Keith says about not liking derby games. You are dead right, mate; there‚Äôs far too much riding on it to actually enjoy them.”

Though yes, Jeremy did add: “When Richardson’s free kick went in, it was canny mind!”

All of which goes to illustrate the mixed feelings many of us have about the process. We all desperately want to win, but the three points irrationally take second place to the desire for moral ascendancy during the ensuing work/college/school days in mixed R&W/B&W environments.
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If I look back over derbies I have attended, watched on TV, heard on the radio or – worst of all – heard about later, I can remember few really happy days.

The Rowell hat-trick, the playoff second leg, the successive 2-1 wins at St James’ Park and, yes, that Richardson free kick … each gave a memorable glow. The Mag would recall the 4-1 win at the SoL, far too many easy wins at SJP even before the Oct 31 mauling. But wouldn’t we both also struggle to forget all the turgid games, including scraped or badly conceded draws? Among those, I certainly wouldn’t minimise how painful almost every second of last season’s equivalent of Saturday’s game was until Gyan’s lucky late equaliser.

I watched that last one in a Malaysian bar; I was virtually alone but still felt embarrassed at my club’s display.

How many Sunderland supporters were left, last October, feeling like Claire? “We sloped away disappointed and just wanted to get home,” she wrote. “And as soon as I got in the house, it was completely in the past … I got stuck into Halloween stuff with the bairn and I couldn’t have give a monkey’s jumper. It just doesn’t matter that much to me. Of course, it matters a lot to others, but this time not me.”

Not many, I suspect. However turbulent derby days may be, most of us will continue to get wound up by them.

And if only we were all a bit older. If the present age of both sets of fans was 110+, we’d have different reasons to brag about the 1908-1909 season.

Who ran away with the Division One title? Newcastle United, seven points ahead of Everton and nine ahead of us. But what happened in the derbies? As every Mackem schoolboy should know and every Mag should be made to repeat 100 times daily, we beat ’em 3-1 at home and, er, 9-1 away.

But then you’d have to be obsessed to remember that.

* Maybe we should all go out and buy Ian Black’s book Geordies Vs Mackems and Mackems Vs Geordies: Why Tyneside is Better Than Wearside and Why Wearside is Better Than Tyneside. Get it dirt cheap at Amazon

Monsieur Salut

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10 thoughts on “Obsessed with Newcastle? No, but we’ve a right to be”

  1. Angels need not apply around here and banter is positively encouraged.

    But if you saw one or two of the comments I disallow, especially this week from NUFC fans, you’d see what I am up against with a tiny minority of the people who come here.

    Sometimes the decision to block a message is borderline. A SAFC supporter sent a mock chorus for Mambo Number 5, if that is what the song about having a “little bit of” various girls is called. Instead of girls’ names, it has areas of Newcastle and instead of “all I need`’ or “all night long” it has choice insults about those places. It’s quite funny but wouldn’t it be hypocritical of me to let it through? Not to mention the ease with which a Toon bard could turn Benwell, Walker, Byker et al into districts of Sunderland.

  2. Great read and for once it’s actually quite refreshing to read comments that are not penned by morons who use these articles as a platform to abuse each other. I think come tomorrow lunch time both sets of supporters will, in equal measure, be praying for a good result. As a Sunderland lad I think its about time we saw a Sunderland derby performance at the SOL to be really proud of and I have a feeling…it’s going to be tomorrow.

  3. Maybe it is theSsalut influence but how refreshing it was to reasd such fair balanced comments from either side to such an extent that I was happy to tick at least three of the Mags postings.

    Let us hope it is a injury free match played in spirit of sportsmanship with commitment to the point of exhaustion to the result of an ultimate win for Sunderland.

    Oh all right may the best team win and I hope our lot turn up this season.

  4. Agree with all comments above (except for young gaz’s comment around newcastle midfield being stronger…Barton is the only NUFC player who would get in Sunderland’s midfield in my opinion)…horrible tense games but great to have the 2 clubs back in the premiership no matter how funny both sets of fans find it when the teams are relegated..we all miss the derby games!

  5. A great read and the reason I’ve read your articles in the past is that the link pops up on the NewsNow Newcastle site, I’m a fan from Co.Durham where there are as many Sunderland Fans as Newcastle, so derby days are more than tense.The obsession goes both ways but a lot of my Mackem mates end every conversation on fb or e-mails with FTM even on none football matters so amongst my mates I think the obsession might be more with Sunderland lads but don’t get me wrong I’m desparate to win or even more desparate not to lose they are games i can really do without as you suggest some others feel the same. Another reason for the obsession from both sets is that we have little else to occupy ourselves with success wise in the football world we briefly flirted with success under Keegan and Robson but ultimately won nothing as usual derby day and bragging rites are all we both have as horrible as it is.

  6. During the heady Keegan years when we were challenging for the Premier League title etc, I used to actually care more about how we did against Manure, Liverpool etc – as in those days they were the clubs who were our main rivals.
    What that actually did was reinforce in my mind the fact that, whilst we are both mid-table, these “bragging rights” are only about being the biggest fish in a little pool.
    We can only really ever claim this fixture to be significant when both clubs are up there challenging for the real prizes.
    I’d love to see that – but can’t see how either club will ever do it.

  7. I’ll go with Young Gaz above, seeing as i’m a TOON fan obviously i want us to win, and i predict 2-0 or 2-1 to the Toon as we have the *cough* mackem slayer Shola starting on saturday so watch out!! hehe.
    but as a side note i’ve been reasonably impressed with some of the signings you’ve managed over the summer, so i wish you all good luck for the season (just not in the Derby’s)

  8. Gaz, you seem a very decent bloke but it’s 4-0 to the red and whites. An early goal sees you chasing the game with calamitous results.

  9. I am 20 yr Mag season ticket holder but still read always your blog for some reason. I find it strangely a good read & you always seem honest. Putting my cards on the table I think the Toon have a much better midfield than Sunderland, where games are normally won or lost. Prediction 1-1, but 2-1 Mags if we score 1st

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