Who are you? We’re the Hammers (via Houghton-le-Spring)

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What can we say about Gordon Watts*? Here is a man who ought to be Sunderland through and through. Dad was a lifelong fan, he was born in Houghton-le-Spring himself. Yet he’s a Hammer. Sounds a bit like one, is one, loves the Knees up Mother Brown site that produced a cracking piece from another Gordon (Thrower) for Salut! Sunderland last season. But if you feel that makes him seem a good bet for a Hammer horror film, think again. He may have fled the North East when a nipper, but he retains an obvious affection for the region and for SAFC. Gordon has worked all over the world; his present home is an oasis in the Arabian desert known as Abu Dhabi (where the coming together of scores of Brits to launch a newspaper has produced a stream of Who Are They? candidates). Ahead of Sunday’s game at the Stadium of Light, feast on Gordon’s reminiscences (and his dad’s) with such names as Raich Carter, Stanley Matthews, Bobby Moore……and – remember, Pete? – young Derek Forster. Gordon has a lovely account of Derek’s debut in goal for Sunderland as a lad of 15….

There will always be a special place in my heart for Sunderland.

After all, I was born in Houghton-le-Spring and my dad, who came from Hetton-le-Hole, was a lifelong fan.

Growing up as a boy I would listen to fantastic tales about the aptly named Horatio Stratton “Raich” Carter, who captained Sunderland to the First Division title in 1936. Just his name was enough to fire the imagination of a young lad and draw comparisons with another famous Horatio, the enigmatic Nelson, who also made a habit of playing on the winning team. While the hero of Trafalgar spent his life sinking French warships, Raich loved to scuttle the opposition with a wonderful array of guile and grace.

Capped 13 times for England, Carter had immense talent, and was widely regarded as one of the greatest players of the pre-Second World War generation.

Among his admirers was the legendary Stanley Matthews, who dubbed Raich the “supreme entertainer”. “Carter dodged, dribbled, twisted and turned, sending bewildered left-halves madly along false trails,” he recalled.

In those days, “Get Carter” became something of an obsession for opposing teams, according to my dad. Of course, by the time I was playing and watching football, Raich Carter was just another name you would find in old, yellowing Charlie Buchan football annuals.

Back then, Sunderland were going through tough times and were firmly in the shadow of their arch rivals Newcastle. All that was left for my dad were those distant memories of a footballing era swept away by the outbreak of war.

Life was also changing for my family. In 1959, we left Houghton-le-Spring, sold our small house in Balfour Street and moved to London. I was five at the time. As the years went by and my love for football grew, my dad would take me to West Ham, a “team that played the game the right way, son”, but a poor substitute for his mythical Sunderland.

After all, you only fall in love once in football. By the time I was 10, the Black Cats had rediscovered the “fortune that had always been hiding”. After winning promotion in 1964, Sunderland were back where they belonged in the top flight, and we would be there to see them.

By a strange twist of fate, they would open their campaign against Leicester City at Roker Park during the two weeks we were in the North East on our holidays.

Every year, we would visit my dad’s sister and her family in East Rainton, which sits on the old Houghton to Durham road. We would catch the overnight coach from Victoria Station in London and wind our way along the A1 in what seemed like an eternity until finally reaching East Rainton in the early hours of the morning.

From there, we would enjoy two weeks visiting relatives or spending days shivering on the beach at Seaburn and Roker, kicking a ball around. There would also be afternoons walking around the ramparts at Durham castle underneath slate grey skies, but my abiding memory of the summer of ’64 was my first visit to Roker Park.

With a Sunderland rosette on one side of my raincoat and a West Ham one on the other, I must have cut a strange sight as I headed off with my dad and my cousin Brian to the Leicester City game. As we waited to catch the bus, the talk quickly turned to young Derek Forster. A local lad, he had been drafted into the side to replace the injured Jim Montgomery in goal.

At just 15 years and 185 days, Forster is still, I believe, the youngest player to turn out in the First Division, which, of course, was the old Premier League in those days. What must have been going through his mind as he walked out to the fabled Roker Roar?

Perched high, sitting on a steel crash barrier and clutching a programme, I looked around in awe at the 45,464 other souls crammed into this citadel of expectation.

The sound was deafening. On the field, young Foster showed signs of brilliance but conceded three goals. There was no shame in that. At the other end, the future England World Cup hero Gordon Banks was also forced to pick the ball out of his net three times.

In the end, a pulsating match ended in a 3-3 draw. As we walked out at the end, carried through the gates on a wave of humanity, I could not help but notice the lines of lost shoes. Roker Park had always had heart, now it had sole. On the bus back to East Rainton, I relived the 90 minutes of theatre in the pages of the Sunderland Echo after first checking on the West Ham score.

Little did I realise then that this day, and this game, would stick in my memory for the next 44 years, a precious snapshot of childhood. Everyone a hero. The Sunderland team that day: Derek Forster, Cecil Irwin, Len Ashurst, Martin Harvey, Charley Hurley, Jimmy McNab, Brian Usher, George Herd, Nick Sharkey, Johnny Crossan and George Mulhall.


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My team

The paper I work for in the Gulf,

The National, launches its Saturday edition today (Nov 15), making it a seven-day-a-week publication. The sports section has a new feature – My Team – and has shown a healthy sense of priorities, running my piece on Sunderland as the first in the series. Here it is….but after reading it, post a Comment telling Salut! Sunderland why YOU support SAFC and what it means to you (or another team if you strayed in here but support someone else). Footie books for Christmas will be the prize for the best entry, as judged by me and assuming sufficient people reply to make it worthwhile

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You do not, or should not, choose a club to support in the way you select from a menu or rack of clothes. Clubs choose you.

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Soapbox: Crisis? What Crisis?

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After a day of international rumour and intrigue, Pete Sixsmith travels to Lancashire, where he sacrifices his favourite lunch, and is rewarded with a convincing win at Blackburn. And what a shame the hundreds of extra readers lured here by Pete’s match verdict in The Observer were a shade too early for this outstanding account of the weekend’s events, from the eve-of-game orgy of speculation to three superbly won points…

Jim Callaghan didn’t actually say this as he returned to the UK after an IMF meeting somewhere in the Caribbean, but it has gone down in folklore as the thing not to say when under pressure.

As we gaze down from the lofty position of second (on page 2 of teletext), you would wonder what on earth all the fuss was about last week. On Friday, the North East was awash with rumours that Keane had resigned, that he wasn’t going to Blackburn and that he had sent Triggs and the other dog to the kennels in advance of him running off to Patagonia.

I got the rumour at work, via Radio Newcastle’s John Anderson (a Mag, but a nice guy), who was doing a Show Racism The Red Card workshop. In the space of half an hour, I had texts from Scotland, Dunston and Abu Dhabi wondering what was going on. As the afternoon passed, there was no confirmation and it looks like the Great North East Rumour Mill has claimed yet another triumph of conjecture over fact.

So to Saturday. I changed my habits, thinking that we need to start winning and that the best way to do that (apart from picking our best team) was to change my lunch order at The Balcony Bistro in Lancaster. Out went the Corned Beef Hash with Red Cabbage and in came the Liver, Mashed Potatoes and Peas. A rewarding lunch (£3.75) later washed down with a pint of Hobgoblin at the John o’ Gaunt and all set for a rip roaring encounter with the Boys From The Blackburn Stuff.

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Who are you? We’re Blackburn (3)

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Another of Blackburn’s undercover fans – DodgyGambit* is the only name we have for him – has taken time off from celebrating last night’s victory to preview Saturday’s Premier League clash. Then, as he says, Rovers will start with a stronger side than for the Carling Cup tie. It is a wide-ranging, fascinating addition to the Who Are They? series – and also presents a welcome spot of balance. DG – who owns the Blackburn Rovers Spammers site – sharply contradicts Vinjay’s scathing (yes, still scathing despite being toned down by Salut! Sunderland) assessment of Roy Keane….


Sunderland vs Blackburn
a fixture being played twice over the space of 4 days, you would think both teams would know each other quite well after a taster last night in the Carling Cup but I very much doubt the Premier League game on Saturday will be similar. Blackburn had rested most of their 1st team attacking options with pretty much a reserve side in midfield and up front.

The game itself was dominated by Sunderland and it seemed like one way traffic. Kenwyne Jones started surprisingly as he was ruled out before the game, and it was he who came closest in the first half after headering the ball onto the bar.

Second half Sunderland continued to dominate but were inevitably sucker-punched. Roque Santa Cruz made a return from a three-week lay-off and within two minutes of coming on he scored to give Rovers a 1-0 lead.

The lead was doubled after five minutes when Derbyshire crossed the ball and Bardsley deflected the save into his own goal. Within a minute of scoring the second goal Rovers conceded a goal, Kenwyne Jones with a shot from outside the box. Sunderland continued to dominate but could not level up the game.

Think Sunderland showed a lot of grit and determination but lacked the killer punch…something Rovers have been found guilty of in the last few games. Rovers only having two shots on goal in the game.

The game on Saturday see’s former Man Utd stars Paul Ince and Roy Keane come head to head in the League. Both have respect for each other http://blackburnroversspam.forumsmotion.com/rovers-latest-news-f1/paul-ince-keane-s-driven-me-on-t298.htm and both agree that the League game is more important than the Cup game. So all reference to the game on Wednesday will be forgotten about. Although it will give Blackburn more confidence and Sunderland the urge to banish memories of a game they dominated only to lose.

Both Managers seem to be under pressure in recent matches after having played well but ending up dropping points to other teams. This game will be massive in the sense that 3 points could shoot them into top 10 or a loss could put them into a relegation dogfight.

As a Rovers fan I would firstly like to say that Roy Keane has done a fantastic job at Sunderland with the backing of Niall Quinn. I never thought as a manager he would keep his cool, most managers would berate the ref for incorrect decisions but Keane seems to just move on and concentrate on the next game. Rovers fans respect him as a player and manager and do not believe the ‘thug’ tag given to him by other Rovers fans (or fan) represent the whole Blackburn fan base.

The calls for Paul Ince and Roy Keane to be sacked are ludicrous, a team can only see a realistic aim by the end of December when half the games have been played. At that point it can be seen whether you will be in the top 10 or bottom 10.

I expect a fast paced game with plenty of bookings and the game won by the odd goal.

On Saturday I would expect Blackburn to have the following line-up

Robinson, Simpson, Khizanishvilli/Samba, Nelsen, Olsson, Warnock, Mokoena, Villanueva, Pedersen, Santa, Benni.


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Soapbox: don’t hit the panic button – yet

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So the first part of our little battle with Blackburn Rovers is over. We are out of the Carling Cup. Evidence, to Pete Sixsmith in his verdict at Sixer’s Sevens, that the alarm bells really are clanging now. Read the match thread at the Rovers site BRFCS, however, and you get the impression that we were overwhelmingly on top until they scored against the run of play, and then again with a sloppy own goal. And I’d posted a message there earlier, saying they could have the cup game if we could grab six points from Saturday and Boxing Day. Roy Keane put out a strong side (including a reassuringly fit Kenwyne Jones) Rovers fielded some squad players, so the defeat cannot be dismissed. But with the greatest of respect to the Carling Cup, what really matters after the disappointments of last weekend left us languishing in second bottom place, is the Premier. Suddenly, we are in desperate need of points. Pete takes up the theme….

Another disappointing time at the Stadium of Light. Not much light shining on us at the moment as we look to pull ourselves out of a slump which threatens to put us back into the recent dark ages of lengthy relegation struggles and kick and rush football.

Looking for positives, at least we didn’t have to go to extra time and penalties so we were home before the witching hour. Kenwyne looked sharper as the game went on and took his goal well, while Jordan Henderson did not appear out of place in the midfield.

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Who are you? We’re Blackburn (2)

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In the first part of this contribution to our Who Are They? series, Vinjay, owner of the Rovers fan site brfcattitude.com, told us of his intense dislike of Roy Keane. And he hasn’t finished, as you will see when you read on. His loathing for our manager is such that he wishes failure on Sunderland AFC. Don’t blame Salut! Sunderland. We only asked the questions..it may be part of Vinjay’s punishment that whenever we try to click on his site, it switches after a split second to something about Fat Boy Slim, who is not known to have played for Rovers……


What did you think of our respective clubs’ prospects before the season started? Have the first few games altered your thoughts?

I fully expect BRFC to be in contention for the European places again. Many fans have been brainwashed by the arrogance of Leslie Hughes and believe he is fully responsible for three top 10 finishes in succession. That’s what he would lead you to believe. The players will hopefully prove that they were the ones who finished in the top 10 and will do so again.
Sunderland I would like to see fail in their goals though nothing personal against the club, just the current manager. I have absolutely no respect for your manager and his past actions. Deliberately (setting out to injure Alf-Inge Haaland) isn’t the act of a decent individual. I expect Sunderland to come close to a top half finish but maybe just narrowly missing out. If Portsmouth can reach a final there’s no reason why Sunderland can’t though hopefully not at the expense of BRFC’s league cup ambitions. The league cup means a lot to this club and I see the LC fixture as slightly more important than the league one.

When did you last see SAFC v Rovers home or away, and what
happened? Any other memorable games between us?

That would be the 1-0 win over Sunderland at Ewood last season. I enjoyed beating Keane and that’s what it was about for me, not beating Sunderland. Enjoyed it almost as much as beating Sven Liar Eriksson. That would be a reference to 1996 when Eriksson lied about becoming BRFC manager (seems a harsh use of the verb – ed!). There was the 0-0 draw at the beginning of the 2002-2003 season which saw Dwight Yorke/Andy Cole partnership reunited. Probably set the tone that they weren’t going to live up to the standards they had previously met elsewhere. Also that awful 3-0 defeat on Boxing day when Niall Quinn was very dominant and scored a couple of goals if I recall correctly.

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Soapbox: Pompey blues

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Despair, anger, fear. All emotions are possible after the heartbreaking defeat against Portsmouth, a result all the more sickening because we looked like adding to our early lead three times before the interval. Pete Sixsmith seeks to steady the nerves, and remains optimistic that we will haul ourselves out of trouble…..


The first thing
to do is not to panic. There is no need for it. We have the players to win a couple of games and go shooting up the league. We are a better team than West Brom, we are not in serious financial trouble like West Ham and Portsmouth, unlike Fulham and Wigan we have a large fan base, unlike Bolton, we respect our manager and unlike Newcastle we have stability behind the scenes.

I have to say that none of these thoughts entered my mind on the walk back to the car on Saturday. If I had had a full set of teeth I would have been grinding them in anger and frustration at a totally avoidable, potentially damaging defeat.

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Who are you? We’re Blackburn (1)

Vinjay is a devoted Blackburn Rovers fan, owner of the Rovers fan site www.brfcattitude.com, and just a little shy (“just refer to me as Vinjay”). He is also a man with very little time for Roy Keane. Whatever we think about it, he is entitled to his view – from which I have omitted only a potentially libellous reference (along with an equally actionable snipe at Wayne Rooney).

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But what of this week’s two games against Rovers? Our present predicament, next to the bottom of the Premier League after a miserable run, is just the sort of thing we hoped was a thing of the past. Just as Blackburn at home (Carling Cup) on Wednesday, then away in the Premier League on Saturday, are the sort of games about which we should no longer be thinking: “I’d settle for a defeat in the league cup provided we can get three points at the weekend.” We ought to regard both as eminently winnable. But I wonder how many Sunderland fans are thinking just that.
We wanted a Rovers fan to preview each of the two games and eventually found the second one, who promises to deliver after the Carling Cup game. In the meantime, Vinjay’s response has been turned into into a two-parter, with the follow-up likely to be published tomorrow (Tues) or Wednesday. Here’s the first….

When I think of Sunderland, the prominent memory would be the outstanding 4-4 draw against Charlton.

Unlike the cowardly Nicolas Anelka in last season’s European Cup Final, Michael Gray (who later played for Rovers and is pictured courtesy of A Love Supreme) has never been labelled as a world class European striker.

I recall watching him step up and correctly predicting he would fail with the kick and subsequently that happened. I felt sorry for Sunderland and neither club deserved to lose that game. I have a mental image right now of Alan Curbishley celebrating their win. I think that’s the only notable thing the overrated Curbishley has ever won. I’m sure older BRFC fans felt more sympathy having experienced great trauma in the playoffs prior to the birth of the “new Blackburn Rovers” and Jack Walker’s funding.40_micky_gray_landscape1

In the same season BRFC had an outstanding start with brilliant football being played and were in the top three up until around February.

Then a combination of training methods tiredness and Alan Fettis (absolutely dreadful goalkeeper who put in several disastrous performances in the second half of 97-98 saw a downturn into sixth place. Even so, it is still my favourite season as well as my first.

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Own goals

It is all my fault. At half time, I wrote: “Could be four up. Don’t blow it!”

And all too soon, passing became poorer and, over and again, we surrendered possession cheaply and dangerously.

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